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Imagine être un soldat de l'armée rouge à Berlin en 1945

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T'as été déployé en 41 suite à Barbarossa.

Tu combats sur le front est depuis des années,

La moitié des gens que tu as connus sont déjà mort,

Puis arrive le 2 mai 1945,

T'es à Berlin, tu lèves les yeux, tu vois ça :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/44/6/1667612949-image.png

Tu sais que l'armée rouge a gagné,

Tu as survécu aux trois dernières années,

Ta femme et ta fille t'attendent,

C'est fini.

Tu vas enfin pouvoir rentrer au pays.

Bordel les émotions. https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/30/5/1564161241-94d81ac9-601f-4097-b4c0-610f93e61045.png

Ta femme est morte de famine ou d'une épidémie de choléra, ton frère a été fusillé pour refus de charge sans arme à Stalingrad, ton fils a été enrôlé de force pour renforcer les troupes à Kursk et est mort démembré par le tir d'un Pzkpfw 4
Et l'histoire occidentale retiendra que c'est grâce à la géniale US Army que le nazisme tomba https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/27/4/1530827992-jesusreup.png
Antoine Daniel + connu que les 3 mecs sur la photo :rire: sombre réalité
Vision d'horreur, j'aurais préféré que Manstein arriva à repousser le péril rouge.

Tu te dis surtout "chouette ! Mes parents sont morts pendant le siège de Leningrad ; ma femme et mes enfants ont étés tués par les bombardements de Minsk et mes amis Alexeï et Nikolaï ont étés respectivement fussilé pour refus d'obéir et tué par la chasse de nuit allemande :-) "

Puis
"Hâte de violer pleins de femmes Allemandes parceque les officers s'en foute + boire comme un trou pour oublier des années d'un des pire front de l'histoire :-)"

2 Millions d'allemandes violet d'ailleurs

Le 05 novembre 2022 à 02:55:15 :
Et l'histoire occidentale retiendra que c'est grâce à la géniale US Army que le nazisme tomba https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/27/4/1530827992-jesusreup.png

La plèbe stupide et ignare peut être, n'importe qui d'un minimum cultivé sait que l'armée rouge a jouée un role tout aussi important que les américains si ce n'est supérieur dans la défaite de l'allemagne.

By the 31st of January 1945, Zhukov's forces encapsulated in the 1st Bielorussian Front reached the Oder river near Kurstrin and Frankfurt Koniev's forces from the 1st Ukrainian Front would reach him in Fabruary. Their tanks crossed the river without waiting for the infantry to catch up. During that Vistule Oder offensive, they had advanced of 300 to 600 kilometers depending the sector in less than 18 days. 35 Germans divisions were destroyed. Hundreds of thousands of prisoners lay in their wake. They were now at 70 kilometers from Berlin. But the Stavka Soviet command ordered a halt. The frontline troops needed resupply and rest before they would eventually be ready to begin the final assault. In March 1945, Pomerania in the north and Silesia in the south were cleared of German troops. The flanks were secured for the drive on Berlin. The Germans attempted a counter attack at Kurstrin but it ended in a failure. In the process, some of the last armoured forces availables for the defense of Berlin were destroyed. Hitler was scathing of the commander of the 9th army, Theodor Busse. But when the Chieff of the general staff, Heniz Guderian, standed for Busse, he was sent on leave, effectively enforced retirement. His successor was the general Hans Krebs. Krebs was the military attaché of Moscow when the war began. Later, he would be Chieff of Staff for Model's Army Group B when the Ardennes offensive was launched during late 1944 against the Western Allies. Just like Model, during his carrer, Krebs has shown himself capable of planning effective defensive operations. That's why Hitler expected from him a miracle for the defense of Berlin. Krivoschein started his military carrer in the cavalry and took part of the Soviet German occupation of Poland. In 1945, he commanded the 1st machanized Corps taht was the only unit in the 1st Bielorussian Front only equiped with American Sherman tanks.

On the Oder river, the soldiers from this 1st machanized Corps crossed every day the river to help digging emplacements for guns and tanks. On the night of 15th April, the Corps crossed the Oder to tale up these prepared positions. Zhukov and Stalin discussed in Moscow about the details of the final assault of Berlin. Zhukov has prepared 2 plans for the final offensive of the city. Plan A envisaged a thrust from the Kustrin bridgehead. Plan B envisaged a thrust from the bridgehead near Frankfurt. The Germans would be keep guessing about which one was the real line of advance, forcing them to disperse their troops. Zhukov described in his memoirs his late meeting with Stalin. He was told : "The German front in the West has completly collapsed. The Germans doesn't seem to be willing to take any measures to stop the advance of the western Allies. British and Americain troops had crossed the rive. They had destroyed German Army Group B on the Ruhr. Their armoured division were advancing rapidly toward Berlin. Althought the Allies had agreed at Yalta that Berlin would be in the Soviet Zone of occupation, the western allies hadn't rule out entering in the city before the Red Army. WInston Churchill had expressed his thought to Roosevelt saying that the Russian's armies would no doubt enter in Vienna and no doubt Berlin. He thought that they should take the opportunity to take Berlin before the Russians. That's why Zhukov took the plan that could be implemented more rapidly. This mean choosing the option of an assault from the Kustrin bridgehead. Koniev, commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front also flew to the Stavka's headquarters in Moscow. In his memoirs, Koniev said that the Chieff of Staff read a telegram. The point of which was that the western Allies were preparing an operation to take Berlin. He said that Stalin adressed him and Zhukov saying : " So, who is going to take Berlin? Are we, ir are the Allies?

Koniev answered that they would take Berlin before the Allies. One of the directives received by the 1st Bielorussian Front ran as follows : " After the German defenses have been breached, tank armies have to be indroduced on the line of the main thrust to enable the envelopment of Berlin from the north and north east. The purpose of this maneuver was the block the western Allies eastward advance on Berlin. The prize was not for sharing. Zhukov planned to deliver the main thrust thought the Seelow heights held by General Weidling's 56th Panzerkorps. Then the Soviet armies would race West and and establish a perimeter in the suburbs of Berlin. This cordon would prevent German forces retreating into the city. Koniev was unhappy that he was not making the main assault of Berlin. Instead, his Front would encircle the city from the south west. But Koniev ordered his staff to prepare 2 plans. One following the stavka's directives, the other planning a quick dash to Berlin. Meanwhile, in Berlin, life went on. Most services continued to run, included the public transports. In response to the air raids, many had volunteered to help with firefighting or to help clear debris. There were still films and concerts. But over everything hung a sense of fear. A fear of what had to come. Now the Berliners help to build barricades as the city prepare to defend himself. Berlin's barricades were made of wood, stones and rails. They could be up to 2,5 meters high and 4 meters thick. They made many streets completly impassable and the approaches to them were mined. Immobilised tanks were dug in crossroads and became fixed guns emplacements. Berlin also boasted three massives flak towers built to defend the city from the Allies air raids. These were 40 metsrs high and bristled with anti aircraft artillery. Many Berliners wore the armband of the Volksturm, the German equivalent of the Home Guard. These units were not controlled by the army but by the Nazi Party.

The Volksturm was formed in October 1944 after Hitler ordered the mobilisation of the German males between the age of 16 and 60. By 1945, this mean the conscription of the only mens left : teenagers, invalids and elderies. There were only a few weapons available for them. Some received Italian or Dutsh rifles with just a few cartridges. But there were plenty of Panzerfausts. The Panzerfaust was a one shot, disposable launcher that fired a hollow charge antitank warhead. It was very cheap and relativly easy to make. The Germans produced more than 6 millions of them between 1943 and the end of the war. The most comun version is the Panzerfaust 60. This one have an effective tank killing range of 60 meters. Its warhead travel at 45 meters per second and was able to penetrate 200 millimeters of armour. This was bad news for Soviet tank crew since the Soviet armours of a T 34 85 was just about 45 millimeters and 120 millimeters for the heavy tank IS 2. That's for the front armour. Standing between the 1st Bielorussian Front and Berlin there were 4 German armies. They consisted nearly of 1 million soldiers, more than 1 000 armoured vehicles plus 10 000 guns and mortars. More than 200 Volksturm baatalions were formed into the Berlin Army Command reserve. The Berlin garrison itself totalled more than 200 000 mens. Theodor Busse was extremely cynical about their prospects. The German Staff believed that the fate of Berlin would be decided on the Seelow heights. Therefore more troops were committed to the Front rather than held back inside the city. On 15th April, a proclamation from the Fuhrer was read out to the troops. " Berlin will remain German. Vienna will remain German and Europe will never be Russian. Form a single community not to defend the empty word Fatherland, but your families, your wives, your childrens, and hence, your own future. The solgan : Berlin will remain Germany appeared daubed on walls around the city.

Many still believed that somehow the city could still be saved. Troops from the 1st Byelorussian Front were adressed by their Commissar : " Our troops have traveled a difficult but glorious road. Our battles standards are covered with glorious victories won at Stalingrad, at Kursk, on the Dniper and on Byelorussia, at Warsaw and in Pomerania, in Bradenbourg and in the Oder. With our own sweat and blood, we have earned the right on assault Berlin. To be first to enter the city. To Berlin! At 3 am on the 16th April 1945, more than 7 000 guns, mortars and Katyuchas rocket launchers began an earth shaking bombardment of the German lines. It was one of the greatest concentrations of firepower ever seen. In Berlin, the bombardment was heard like hte sound of distant thunder. In houses closer to othe front, pictures fell of walls and windows shattered. In Muncheberg, the cross tumbleded from the church spire. Amongst the guns were 6 massive 280 millimeters mortars from the 34th independant Battailon of Heavy Artillery. When the bombardment stopped, 150 giant searchlights were switched on. This was Zhukov's idea. They were supposed to light the way and dazzle the German defenders. But they struggled to penetrate the thick morning mist and the moske and dust thrown out by the barrage. In fact, the searchlight just proved to be effective at dazzling their own mens. Many were silhouetted by the light, becoming an easy target for the Germans. The Germans had known that the initial bombardment would be massive. So most of their troops had already been withdrawn to the second line. This allowed Soviet troops to advance the first kilometers with relative ease.

As the sun rose, the searchlights were turned off. Despite the early success, It was clear by afternoon that there had be no immediate breakthough. The Seelow heights were defended by a network of machine guns nests and gun emplacement. It was a slow and bloody process for the Soviet infantry to fight their way through. The advance of the 1st Byelorussian Front was supported by 800 soviet aircrafts. Unchallenged by the Luftwaffe, they arrived overhead to batter the German positions. By 1 pm of the 16th April, Zhukov explained : I clearly understood that the enemy defensive fire was intact so to reinforce the attacking troops and ensure a breakthough, we decided the feed both tank armies into the battle. His decision created huge traffic jams on the approaches of the Seelow heights. Tanks, artillery tractors and supply trucks all struggled to get forward. By committing his tank armies into the battle, Zhukov had altered the plans that he he had agreed with the Stavka. It showed desperation and Stalin was not happy. He rang Zhukov to reprimand him for this unauthorised use of the tank reserves. And he demanded to know when the breakthough would be made. Zhukov tried to remain calm saying : " The enemy's defense at the Seelow heights will be breached tomorrow". Now Zhukov had to make it happen. Zhukov's advance help by the 8th Guard's Army commanded by Chuikov and Katukov's 1st tank Army was faltering on the Seelow Heights. Meanwhille, Marschall Koniev first Ukrainian 1st Ukrainian Front was advancing toward the Neisse river and the forrests south east of Berlin. The Germans here had no forces able to whistand his assault. On the evening of the 17th April, Koniev informed Stalin that he was ready to send 2 tank armies to helpf Zhukov. Stalin thought about it for a moment. Then, he agreed. He ordered to drive into Berlin. Koniev issued the order to Rybalko's 3rd Guards Tank Army and Lelyushenko 's 4th Guard Tank Army to turn towards Berlin.

At the Neisse river, Rybalko's troops found a ford no more than a metre deep. Rather than wait for the bridging equipment, his tank crews made their vehicles water tight and drove straight across. By the third day of the offensive, tanks of the 1st Ukrainian Front were poised to breakthough the German defenses. At the same moment, Zhukov's troops were at last about to breakthough the German positions on the Seelow Heights. General Krivoschein's motorised infantry had managed to capture an intact bridge at the town of Platkov. Now his 1st Machanised Corps was advancing unchecked. Behind them, rolled the T 34s of Bogdanov's 2nd Guards Tank Army. On the 20th April, noted General Weidling, commanding the German defense " our units, having suffered huge looses and exhausted to extremity could no longer resist the pressure of the Russian assault. Weidling's Corps was outflanked on both sides. That evening, Zhukov entrusted General Semen Bogdanov with a historic mission : to lead his 2nd Guards Tank Army into Berlin. And to become the first Soviet troops to enter in the capital. The next day, Krivoschein's 1st Mechanized Corps part of 1nd Guards Tank Army, reached the Berlin suburb of Weissencee and fulfilled his mission. For this, Krivoschein received from his nation the highest award, the title of "Heroe of the Soviet Union".

The main force of the 1st Byelorussian Front was now sweeping around Weidling's shattered corps and arriving en masse at the outskirts of Berlin. Koniev's dreams of conquering Berlin had been thwarted. Forrests and lakes, minefields and pillboxes had slowed his advance. There was hard fighting around Zossen from where the Wehrmacht High Command had recently fled. But his advance had trapped 20 000 mens of the German's 9th Army and 4th Panzer Army in the forrests south of Berlin. These mens could no longer reach the city to help in its defense. The Hitler dilemma was : either stay in Berlin, either fly to his Alpine fortress. He pinned his hopes on the army detachment of SS General Felix Steiner. Hitler telegraphed the general : " The primary task before Army detachment Steiner is to attack from the north. The fate of the capital of Third Reich depend on how you successfully you execute this mission ". It was an impossible order that could not be carried out. When Hitler was told this, he flew into a rage, accusing its army of cowardice and treason. He lastly recognized, " it's all over". He would choose to stay in Berlin. But he clutched at one last straw General Wenck 's 12th Army facing the Americains on the Elbe River. On the 23th April, Wenck was ordered to relieve Berlin. But neither Steiner nor Wenck could save the capital. The Berlin garrison was formed from a host of shattered army and SS divisions, supplemented by some Volksturm battalions, police and air defense units. About 120 000 mens in total. But that was still not enough althought many of the SS mens prepared to fight until the end. The Soviets outnumbered the Germans by more 4 to 1. And many Red Army soldiers were now battle hardened veterans, graduates of the Stalingrad academy of street fighting. Soviet tanks advanced on both sides in the street, in a staggered double file.

They kept 30 meters behind the infantry and used their main gun to take out defensive strongpoints that were holding up the advance. infantry squads and snipers worked to flush out the German panzerfausters. The Soviet knews that the Panzefausts had a short range about 60 meters. So tanks would pull up 150 meters from en enemy held building and shell it from a safe range. When assault team captured a building, they used smoke grenade to fill the building with smoke, allowing more troops to move up with safety. General Krivoschein's Mechanized Corps had been redeployed to the north western suburds. After crossing the river Spree, it joined up with Rybalko's 3rd Guards Tank Army to complete the encirclement of Berlin. The River Spree curled thought the German defenses. In places, the river was 200 meters wide. The Germans considered this as impenetrable barrier and so the south bank was lightly defended. The appearance of Soviet motorboats was therefore an unpleasant surprise for the Germans. These boats of the Dniepr fleet had been transported by road and were now launched into the Spree. This amphinious assault succeded in establishing a foothold across the river. Reinforcement were then quickly ferried in to shore up the positions. This sudden advance where it was the least expected threw the German defensive plan into chaos. Several blocks were given out without a fight as units raced back to avoid being cut off. The Red Army's troops were all aiming the one spot : the Reichstag building. The Reichstag building was completed in 1894. In the Interwar period of the Weimar Republic, it was where the lower chamber of the parliament met.Shortly after Hitler came to pwoer in 1933 it caught fire with suspicious circumstances. The communists were accused as part of a plot against the governement Next day, a decree gave Nazi Party the emergency power to deal with its political opponents.

The political center was still not located anymore here but in the Fuhrerbunker 25 feet beneat the garden of the old Reich Chancellery. It was secretly built during the war. By April 1945, It had become Hitler permanent residence. According to some people that lived inside the bunker with Hitler, the place smelled wet ciment and there was a constant drone from the ventilation system. It was claustrophobic but impervious to bombs and shells. The Red Army didn't know about the Fuhrerbunker even as their tanks fired on the Reich Chancellery hitself. The observation point of the 34th battalion of Heavy Artillery was located in an elevator tower on Schlessinger Strasse. They coudln't see the Reichstag. Only flames and smoke. On 27th April, their unites was ordered forward. As the artillery spotter looked for a new vintage point, their telephone rang. The Soviet 3rd Shock Army was leading the race to the Reichstag commanded by Vasily Kuznetzov who faced the German troops in the first day of the war near the city of Grodno in Byelorussia as he struggled to save his 3rd Army from encirclement. Thought the northern suburb of Berlin, the 3rd Shock Army had fought his way. The first attempt to take the Reichstag failed on 29th April because of the Germans who fired to them from the Kroll Opera House. So the Opera had to be cleared first. At 11 : 30 am on 30th Arpil, the same infantry troops attacked again and this time, they succeded. They were supporting by artillery fire falling directly on Reichstag building. It was at 10 : 30 pm that the victory banned flung into above the Reichstag building.

Le 05 novembre 2022 à 02:53:54 :
Ta femme est morte de famine ou d'une épidémie de choléra, ton frère a été fusillé pour refus de charge sans arme à Stalingrad, ton fils a été enrôlé de force pour renforcer les troupes à Kursk et est mort démembré par le tir d'un Pzkpfw 4

Probablement pas. En URSS, les femmes et les parents des soldats de l'armée rouge avaient une pension de conjoint de membre de la fonction publique et l'accès préférentiel pour la bouffe et la médecine.

Et les pensions étaient très élevées par rapport au revenu moyen de l'époque.

Ils ont tout détruit pour que ça ressemble bien a leur shithole russe
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